#fjerda

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helvarcult
helvarcult

writing helnik endgame with a baby, far from war and trouble, feels ridiculously good. helnik with a baby is already perfect on its own but it is so canonically wrong that i almost hate admitting how much i enjoy it.

because the moment they allowed themselves to imagine a future, they had this conversation,

they are both too stubborn to turn back, too loyal to abandon their people, too devoted to pretend peace could be found in running away. escape would never have given them rest. they would never have been able to live with themselves.

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tsibeyantiger
tsibeyantiger

I don’t get dni people. I’m here to post about stuff I like and that’s it so I really don’t care who interacts. Like, if Hitler himself came back to life and had somehow the desire to make a tumblr and read my analysis of Fjerda wildlife, I wouldn’t care. It’s not that I’m gonna follow you back, Adi

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helvarcult
helvarcult

i love how fjerda’s polytheistic theology feels almost pre-human like they remember what it means to worship the land itself. they bury their dead in the ice and trust the rivers to carry their souls back to djel. they pray to water, to the soil tangled with tree roots, to the silence under snow.

and it reminds me of icelandic folklore, how they say glacier lakes are haunted, made from ancient ice that remembers the souls, where the living meet the dead.

there’s something about faith that believes memory lives in nature. something about ice that keeps what it loves and remembers the way back to god–

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i-stole-a-demons-personality
i-stole-a-demons-personality

i literally only just realized Leigh Bardugo snuck a ‘there was only one bed’ trope on me without me noticing until like.. now

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unassumingcavegoblin
unassumingcavegoblin

i don’t think we have any fjerdan-shu characters in the grishaverse? which doesn’t make sense because like. they’re like right there. you’d think there’d be a lot of people like that in ravka, no? it’s the middle ground (literally)

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rchrdgrysn
rchrdgrysn

Ravkan are based on Russians/Slavs so it wouldn’t be shocking if there was some kind of stigma against them from Fjerda and Ketterdam since in Western Europe, Slavs were often locked down on, in Germany’s case even going as far as genocide, also the german language as four words two of them being the same and the other against Poles and Russians.

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stromuprisahat
stromuprisahat

Ruin and Rising- Chapter 6 (Leigh Bardugo)


See how loyal are the Darkling’s “allies”?

What is a treaty with Grisha-hating kind worth?

I’m sure Nikolai’s just SO good in hiding they don’t have a chance to notice him sneaking in and out of their BORDER territories.

Not like those two countries have been fighting for those areas for centuries, so we shouldn’t assume they’ll be guarded or something…

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hrtrenderr
hrtrenderr

a gown for the ice court (lets just pretend it has wool linings underneath to account for the weather 😁)

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butterflypython
butterflypython

honestly I’ve always wondered what Fjerda tells its people to justify its ally ship with Shu Han, because yes, Shu Han also oppresses Grisha but they’re also a Matriarchy. Let me be clear, I don’t think Fjerda allying with Shu Han doesn’t make sense, hypocrisy like that is something I would expect from the Fjerdan government (but if you disagree that’s valid) but it’s people? How do they, people in a country where women aren’t even allowed to wear pants, rationalize their country ally with nation in which women rule automatically? What does the government tell them? That the aligning with Shu Han is necessary evil in order to wipe out “witches”? That one day they’ll “fix Shu Han’s unnatural thinking”? This may be a fucked up thing to be curious about but it’s something I think about all the time.

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jazzically
jazzically

ddo you think “fjerda” is derived from fjord. cuz yknow. it cold

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stromuprisahat
stromuprisahat

Six of Crows- Chapter 35 (Leigh Bardugo)


Shame is an amazing tool. Just look at some real-world religious organisations and their history. The promise of punishment will get you only so far, but scorn of one’s peers…

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stromuprisahat
stromuprisahat

Six of Crows- Chapter 28 (Leigh Bardugo)


Which unit?

Secretaries and nurses?!

If Fjerdan women “don’t fight”, what are those rifles for? Shouldn’t they have at least some basic training, if they’re handling weapons and searching people?

Fjerdan security is a joke in their sexism.

(Or in its bad writing.)

Or more precisely- how am I to believe they take their security seriously AND have unqualified people enforcing it, when all you need to “solve” such conundrum is have men do everything. This is Fjerdan soil, more importantly- the seat of Fjerdan Royal family, am I really expected to buy that Fjerdans would put some foreigners’ complaints above their King’s safety?!

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stromuprisahat
stromuprisahat

Six of Crows- Chapter 24 (Leigh Bardugo)


Poor prisoners in high-security cells of Ice Court’s prison- even at night, there’s light going through a small window in their door.

How could their captors be so cruel and deny them the basic need of sleep?

*cough* Rule of Wolves- Chapter 9 *cough*

The “Heroes” have no qualms imprisoning powerless Darkling in a glass terrarium with permanent daylight.

The irony of Zoya praising Nikolai’s humanitarian tendencies right before she introduces WHAT he built… yeah, such a nice guy…

I’d also like to point out one my total top “favourite” phrases- Sun Soldiers, heirs to Alina Starkov’s power. That’s what helps you sleep at night, Zoya?! Make it a matter of inheritance?! Something to be passed down on other people?! Not the worst kind of tragedy- the butchery of Alina’s very being?! Disgusting, how she treats Alina as some sort of benevolent icon living her secret dream. Zoya doesn’t even have the excuse of not knowing her personally, of not being present when were Alina’s powers ripped out of her.

(If there’s something unnatural in all of these books, it’s those so called Sun Soldiers.)

And back to the Darkling- I’m sure those nice, obedient Soldiers hold no grudge and don’t abuse the power they have over him now.

Which gets us back to Darkles’ living conditions- apparently, he’s a disgusting whore for making himself at least a little bit comfortable.

I’m sure he suffers no migraines or other light-related pains or issues. He’s just a bit warm. :)

And the lack of even the most basic camp bed is completely normal. Fjerdans don’t give their high-sec prisoners furniture either!

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batmanlovesnirvana
batmanlovesnirvana

First of all, greetings from the other side !!! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts as an Ottoman descendant! I truly appreciate your insights ;)

I completely understand the distinction between Turks and Arabs—my apologies for the mix-up; it was definitely an oversight to use ‘or’ instead of ‘and.’

As you pointed out, the Ottoman Empire was incredibly vast and encompassed a rich variety of cultures, including those from modern-day Arab countries like Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Algeria, Tunisia, and many more. This diversity is a crucial aspect of the empire’s history, and that’s what I aimed to convey when I mentioned the Arabs in the beginning :)


Also, you can see some similarities in Shu Han, because we Turks used to live in Central Asia in ancient times and Mongols and China were our neighbors. So we exchanged cultures.

Exactly!! That’s why I was pretty disappointed when I found out that Shu Han was solely based on only China and Mongolia. I really hoped there would be some Ottoman influence in the mix, especially considering the historical exchanges and cultural interactions. It feels like such a missed opportunity to showcase the rich tapestry of cultures that shaped that region.


I don’t know what to think about the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” thing, even the people who lived peacefully among themselves for years could change depending on the circumstances when they betrayed the Ottomans and were mostly alone.

That’s a really interesting point! The ‘enemy of my enemy is my friend’ concept definitely has its complexities. Alliances can shift dramatically based on circumstances, and history shows that even long-standing relationships can fracture. It’s fascinating how people who once lived peacefully together can turn on each other when faced with pressure. The dynamics of power, betrayal, and survival really shape those interactions, especially in this context.


Also, yes, we always had a turbulent relationship with the Russians, it would be interesting to read about that!

Yesss, like Leigh really missed with that one; such a wasted opportunity!


The Ottoman Empire ruled over 3 continents and was an empire with many different cultures, so if there were Grishas in the Ottomans, I think they would be treated with tolerance and allowed to have their own neighborhoods/schools.

Yeah and I think I’ll need to do a whole separate post just to unpack all my thoughts on this! In my mind, an Ottoman-inspired nation in the Grishaverse would definitely be more tolerant toward Grishas compared to other countries. That’s why I mentioned the millet-like system. For example, the Jewish communities in the Ottoman Empire were able to establish their own schools and courts, aligning well with their traditions and allowing them to thrive. I could see something similar happening with the Grishas.

But here’s where it gets tricky—magic, or anything resembling it, has always been frowned upon in Abrahamic religions, including Islam. If we consider that the Ottoman-inspired nation might have a different religion (one that’s similar to Islam) than Ravka and the other nations, it could explain why they might be more tolerant yet still cautious. Even though Grishas aren’t exactly practicing witchcraft, the perception could complicate matters. So, while there might be greater tolerance in an Ottoman-inspired nation, it wouldn’t be all sunshine and roses. They likely wouldn’t face the same outright hatred they experience in Fjerda, but being fully accepted as equals might still be a stretch.

And wouldn’t it be fascinating to see the Darkling’s take on this country? He’s spent his entire life fighting for Grisha recognition, but he’s also deeply patriotic. I can imagine him feeling a mix of jealousy and frustration—like, ’Why can’t Ravka take notes from these guys?’ But at the same time, he’d be wary, knowing that even in this more tolerant place, Grishas wouldn’t be seen as equals. And when push comes to shove, if Ravka were at war with them, his loyalty to his homeland would win out, no question (I think ?) It’s such a complex dynamic, and honestly, I’m a little sad we never got to see it play out in the books.


Finally, I completely agree with your thoughts about palace politics. The author could never explain it completely. The Ottoman Empire is a very complicated structure even within itself.

Yeppp, the Ottomans had so many different communities, and given the challenges Leigh Bardugo had with the ones she did write, it probably would’ve been a mess if she tried to tackle an Ottoman-inspired nation too, lol. But I’m seriously considering writing a fic where I dive into all of this. Maybe I’ll even create an OC from an Ottoman-like nation to explore those dynamics 😏


Anyway, thank you again for your insights on this topic! I really enjoyed reading your thoughts. If you have any further comments or reflections on what I just shared, please feel free to share them with me!

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hiddenvioletsgrow
hiddenvioletsgrow

Adrik watching Nina drag Matthias’ corpse around Fjerda:

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shimmerytimbers
shimmerytimbers

shouout to Ylva Brum (Hanne’s mother) for not being homophobic. Like raised in an extremely religious enviroment with ideals against women, Grisha and probably lgbtq (ism? people? idk) she didn’t mock/insult/ try to correct her daughter at all when she found Hanne making out with a girl. Like she only told Hanne to get ready and cover the hickeys on her neck. Which makes me wonder if Ylva herserlf has ever had a romance w a girl before Jarl Brum before??

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stromuprisahat
stromuprisahat

I’m trying to wrap my head around the deal the Darkling was supposed to strike with Fjerdans. Not from his side- age gives one a perspective on temporary alliances-, but from theirs.

gains:

  • They get rid of the Lantsovs- a blow as any change of a long-lasting regime, but also from patriotic viewpoint- those were founders of the country deeply intertwined with its history and culture.
  • There’s likely to come a period of instability, some unrest is to be expected before the supporters of the old regime are dealt with.
  • There might be some agreement regarding trade at play. Moving supplies through Fjerda before the Fold is dealt with. For a fee.
  • Obviously the Darkling might promise not to move north once his crown is secured. Possibly leave them a chunk of disputable land. (He wouldn’t be happy about that.)

dangers:

  • GRISHA on a throne? And THE DARKLING to boot?! What’s next? An Antichrist?!
  • Whichever promises he makes might turn out empty. Unstable country also means a risk of getting nothing in return.
  • Fjerda doesn’t merely leave him pass through its territory, it’s striking a specific deal with Vasily that would result in Lantsovs’s fall. Fjerdans don’t just turn a blind eye as the Darkling’s marching through, they’re active participants and that information WILL get out.
  • You destroy one monarchy and peasants might get ideas. Tsar or no, Aleksander would be a usurper with no pedigree.
  • He isn’t only a revolutionary overthrowing government, he’s a serf reaching for freedom with a weapon of mass destruction in his hand. And assuming there’s some kind of traditional handing over leadership of Second Army- subject, who broke an oath and raised against his liege. That’s who will be Fjerdans endorse, whose word they’ll take.
  • They totally know about the Fold. Would they truly be so naive to believe he’ll never expand it into their territory once he’s done with Lantsovs?!

The only hypothesis I can come up with is that they were hoping his rule will be unstable enough to cause Ravka to collapse from the inside, but that feels too flimsy. Unless he turned up with nichevo'ya behind his back and Grimjers shat themselves enough to agree to anything.

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jeandejard3n
jeandejard3n

Shadow and Bone: Fjerdan Woods

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thewickedjenny
thewickedjenny

I made this “if Matthias was a wolf” figure for myself about a year ago, but I think it may be time for me to part with it; I need to clear off my shelves. If you’d like to purchase him, you can find him in my Etsy shop!

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tsibeyantiger
tsibeyantiger

It is time. Welcome, everyone, to my GrishaVerse wildlife analysis!

First of all some disclaimers. My comments are based on the books and since we are talking about a fictional world, not every rule from our universe must apply there. I remember a post about how it’s stupid that Game of Thrones has got pumpkins because Westeros is European-themed and I call this bullshit. Westeros is inspired by Europe, but it IS not Europe, so pumpkins can be native there. Applying this logic, my assumptions about the GrishaVerse nature are limited. Just because Fjerda is inspired by Scandinavia, it doesn’t necessarily have all the animals and plants that live there. But to make it easier, I will assume that Leigh Bardugo mentioned every animal she invented and everything else that lives there is a creature that exists in real life. And also, this is waaaaay too much stuff for just one post, so today, I will be only analysing Fjerda. The other countries will follow.

The Seawhip: Certainly the most spectacular animal, but actually kind of boring. It is unclear if dragons are a species in GrishaVerse or if the Seawhip is just one of a kind, just as the Firebird. Does it belong to the same species as Juris? Probably not, because they are pretty different. One must assume that there is only one Seawhip and this limits the influence it can have on an ecosystem. It uses to live in the Bone Road and preyed on probably anything. That’s it.

Whales: There are at least two species of whales in the True Sea, but probably a lot more. They have dolphins that might even live as far north as Fjerda and are MAYBE hunted. But there’s no doubt there is at least one big species of whales that is hunted by the Fjerdan and maybe also the Ravkan and Kaelish for probably centuries. A habitat as big as the True Sea allows much diversification and there will probably be whales that prefer deep waters as well whales that live close to the coast. These will have been the first one to be killed by humans, just as the right whales in our world, and they are probably already close to extinction during the time of the books. Hanne mentions whales in the bay of Djerholm. Whether they belong to the already rare species that lives close to the coast or to the one that usually prefers deep waters, they are probably unusual guests to Djerholm. The whales migrate, probably spend the winter somewhere south of Kerch, give birth and then swim north. The Bone Road carries ice even in summer, so it must be totally frozen in winter. This limits the range of the whales territory.

Bears: What kind of animals do live on the ice? Does the GrishaVerse have polar bears? We know that there are white bears in Tsibeya, but they probably aren’t polar bears. They couldn’t survive there. It is pretty likely that brown bears live in Fjerda, Ravka and Shu Han, with several subspecies. Ivan mentions a kodiak bear, probably from Tsibeya. Sankt Grigori also came across bears. The white bears might be a exceptionally bright subspecies of brown bears or there are two different species of bears in Tsibeya. If this is the case, it would be interesting to know the differences between their niches. Either way, it’s safe to say Fjerda has got brown bears. Polar bears are more speculative, but I think they exist, too. There are many seals in the sea and something must prey on them.

Reindeers: It is canon that there are reindeers in Fjerda, and this totally fits to everything else we know about this country. The North of Fjerda must be tundra, it’s too cold for trees. Reindeers migrate through the whole year, so they are probably roaming the tundra of Fjerda all the time. The sea must freeze in winter, so it’s possible they spend the summer in Kenst Hjerte and move south as soon as the island is surrounded by ice. They are probably kept by the Hedjut, there isn’t much else in the tundra a culture can subsist on. And THIS is really interesting, because you cannot force reindeers to stay at the same place all year. You must follow them. If they have got reindeers, the Hedjut are nomads.

Wolves: There are two subspecies of wolves in Fjerda. Grey wolves life in the south while polar wolves, the wild brothers of the Isenulf, follow the reindeers. The end of the forests probably marks the frontier where the land of the grey wolves ends and the land of the polar wolves begins.

Deers: How many species of deers can be found in Fjerda? The answer depends on Morozova’s stag. The stag itself is apparently very old, but are the other deers also nearly immortal or are they just a population that survived since the days of Morozova? They are white, but they are no albinos. The one-million-kruge-question is: How do the other deers of Fjerda look like? Are they white, too, and this is just one population? Or are they brown and Morozova’s herd is unique? Either way, there is at least one species of deer in Fjerda (wapitis?), maybe a second one, and they also have a lot of mooses. These might also be found in northern Ravka, or maybe Ravka had mooses, but they are extinct now. The deers do live in river valleys and light forests, but won’t be found in the tundra, the Permafrost and Elbjen.

Seagulls: There are a lot of seagulls, probably more than one species.

Rodents: There a small rodents in the woods, probably mice and rats, also squirrels, because Fjerda’s conifers offer them a lot of food. I’d also expect lemmings. There are also muskrats. Fjerda is also a great place for beavers, though we don’t know if they actually live there, as well as groundhogs.

Fishes: The northern sea is very eutrophic and this isn’t only appreciated by the whales and seals, but also by tons of fishes, squids, mussels and clams. Fish plays a huge role in the Fjerdan society. They’ve got herrings, squids, oysters, codfish, pollacks, salmons, haddocks and devilfish and perches, eels and sturgeons from the rivers. But apparently, they also eat narrow-banded mackerels, which is interesting, because these fish prefer warm water. So either there are warm currents in the True Sea or they import the fish or Fjerdan fishtrawlers navigate as far as the southern seas.

They must have owls and also birds that feed on fir cones such as red crossbills. There are probably eagles in Elbjen and maybe also in the west.

There are a lot of foxes in Ravka and they will probably also live in Fjerda. Maybe arctic foxes in the tundra. There is also certainly at least one small predator, such as a marten. Elbjen is a good place for chamois, ibex or mountain goats. We know there are lynx in Ravka, so they probably can also be found in Fjerda. As long as there are no very big predatory fish, there must be otters in the rivers.

The Fjerdan have got honey, so there must be bees. Fjerda cannot be a frozen country for the whole year. In spring, there are a lot of flowering plants blooming. It is canon that Fjerda has got lilies and I also expect lupines. Much of the landscape must look like a meadow in Sweden or Canada. There are mountains in the east and the northwest and in the North we have nothing but the tundra, but especially the area between Djerholm and Halmhend is probably pretty mild and has got a lot of agriculture.

The forrests are coniferous with a few broadleaf trees and include firs, larks and pines, but also willows, birchs and of course Djel’s sacred ash.

And finally, since the Fjerdan use wool, there must be sheep. Fjerda doesn’t offer particularly amazing meadows for sheep, but it could be a good place for moorland sheep or something.

A big thank you to everyone who kept on reading! Next time, I’m gonna analyse Shu Han.